>was pre-existing recordings, if i'm not mistaken. <<<but sampling doesnt
>neccesarily mean copyright infringement either>>>. again, there's a subset
of
I know, I didn't say exactly what I meant, but outside of "late 20th c.
Capitalism" sampling doesn't really have any extra significance, at least,
that's the general idea I get from previous intellectual property
discussions. I guess I'm saying that musique concrete isn't analogous to
dub or to the remix or to Negativland's or the Tape-Beatles work -
although, on the other hand, it might as well be. Thinking back to N.
Rabbit's post, I don't try to make a [artistic] distinction between
recordings made digitally or by analog or whether they're "just sounds" or
music. They're all pressure waves ;^)
How might you draw that Venn diagram? The prime set might be "vibrations,"
which you could break down into "audible" and "inaudible." There should be
a subset for "noise." Now I'm stuck - at this level, what criteria of sound
are objective?
I'm getting off topic.... goodnight everyone and god bless.
-dan
Steev Hise <steevATdetritus.net> on 04/04/2000 04:38:59 PM
Please respond to rumoriATdetritus.net
To: rumoriATdetritus.net
cc: (bcc: Dan Serkland/National/NISH)
Subject: Re: [rumori] plunderphonia, and other words
Tue, 4 Apr 2000 found dserklandATnish.org writing:
>But "plunderphonic" sounds so COOL and _underground_ ;^)
heh. and also misleading, even besides my previous points. it perpetuates
the myth that what we're doing is wrong, that it's theft.
>What does "musique concrete" have to do with sampling? I understand
that's kind of my point. all these areas are related but different. a
subset of musique concrete is sampling, at least conceptually (considering
rabbit's note about technology, none of Pierre Schaeffer's work was really
"sampling", but in spirit, it was, i think). We're looking at lots of
Circles that overlap, a venn diagram, i think it's called. all squares are
rectangles but not all rectangles are squares....
>Schaeffer was using disc recording and tape, but he wasn't using
>copyrighted works or music - I thought he was using stuff you'd call
field
>recordings. I understood the term to mean "music made from sound," as
>opposed to [western] music made from instruments and pitches. Educate me,
>Steev, I've only read a little on Schaeffer.
you're right about schaeffer partially. but some of his source material
was pre-existing recordings, if i'm not mistaken. but sampling doesnt
neccesarily mean copyright infringement either. again, there's a subset of
it that is infringement. and copyright infringement is a subset of
intellectual property law violation. and intellectual property is a form
of property. and property is a form of... well, never mind...
smh
>"Detritus" is the best term. It's important that people make the
connection
>that _this stuff_ is natural (say "valid.")
thanx, that's very true!
smh
Steev Hise, Syssy Admin
steevATdetritus.net http://detritus.net/steev
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