[Rumori] beasties win sampling suit

Mon Nov 15 10:04:51 PST 2004

Not too sure if I agree exactly with JB's take, but maybe more a 
combination of both opinions: there is a possibility that James Newton's 
existing deal with his label was so lousy that he didn't profit so much 
from the previous deal for the sample, and so was pressured into taking the 
BBs back to court again to get some mo' cash for himself - this would be 
the only available way of doing it.

I guess we'll never know...

However, I disagree with Kembrew that this opens any window at all for 
appropriation: Strip the "sampling" tags out of this case, and it seems to 
me that it becomes a simple plagiarism suit, a la "My Sweet Lord". In which 
case the only window that opens is that people can appropriate the odd 
cluster of notes, which has been going on for a long long time.

my 2 shekels,

Ant

At 23:57 12/11/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi peeps
>I have to disagree with this. It sounds like the guy must be getting
>paid from the mechanicals that are paid to whoever controls the
>recordings, being on a beastie's record is going to make those old
>masters a great deal of cash.
>I think there also should be some kind of recognition from the sampled
>artists, that the people who make music and see themselves as
>'crate-diggers' do a fine job in making previously obscure recordings
>trade once more(if they ever did in the first place).  I sometimes
>wonder why Fender don't try and claim a royalty every-time they hear
>Dave Gilmore on a recording, or maybe Ray Charles' Rhodes? Well I guess
>that's cos they bought the instrument.  Well some-one bought the
>artist's record to sample it so, silly as it sounds, I kinda think that
>whoever buys it should be free to do as they wish with it.
>  I don't believe that it is always 'men in suits' who are driving these
>issues, most recording artist I have come across act grievously wounded
>in these situations and are more than happy with their barristers
>requests to go for blood in any kind of negotiations. Although I do see
>the current music industry situation as redundant I think its
>questionable if the industry is in any kind of terminal decline (mores
>the pity) I still think we have a way to go and the next ripe bloated
>target is for me the publishers. It's a misconception to have the
>writing credits being some way fairer and more lucrative to an artist
>than the mechanicals, quite often in my experience it's just another
>layer in the fucked-over cake.
>Kind regards to y'all,
>JbZ
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>On Behalf Of kembrew mcleod
>Sent: 11 November 2004 00:14
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>Subject: Re: [Rumori] beasties win sampling suit
>
>Quoting Samuel Carey <discosammy at yahoo.com>:
>
> > basically, the label gets paid but the artist doesn't?
> >
> > seems par for the course.
>
>yes.
>
> >
> > kembrew mcleod <kembrew-mcleod at uiowa.edu> wrote:
> > Unfortunately, it doesn't really contradict the NWA case, or at least
>not
> > entirely. The thing that makes this case different is that the Beastie
>Boys,
> > as
> > I understand it, secured a mechanical license for the sound recording
>from
> > the
> > record company that released James Newton's record, but they didn't
>get a
> > publishing license from Newton, the songwriter. The Beasties claimed
>that the
> >
> > part they took was so insubstantial that it didn't infringe on the
>heart of
> > Newton's composition, and Newton and his lawyer, Alan Korn, disagreed,
>but
> > lost.
> >
> > However, the Beasties most likely would have been nailed if they
>hadn't
> > gotten
> > that mechanical license for the sound recording, for sampling the
>actual
> > record. I haven't looked into this case as much as I'd like to, so I'm
>sure
> > someone else might have a better, more nuanced explanation. Still, it
>does
> > seem
> > to open a little space for appropriation, though not much.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Kembrew
> >
> > Quoting stAllio! the original wanksta :
> >
> > > this decision would appear to be the exact opposite of the nwa case
> > > from a few months ago, but i haven't yet found an article with a
> > > detailed enough analysis to be sure...
> > >
> > >
>http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/You-gotta-fight-for-your-right-to-sampl
>e/
> > 2004/11/10/1100021883656.html
> > >
> > > A US appeals court has handed a victory to pioneering punk-rap group
> > > the Beastie Boys in a dispute over the growing musical practice of
> > > sampling, in which recording artists incorporate snippets of other
> > > songs into their own work.
> > >
> > > The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals declined today to reconsider its
> > > decision last year allowing the group to use a six-second segment of
> > > music from jazz flautist James Newton's 1978 composition Choir.
> > >
> > > A three-judge panel of the court held in 2003 that the band had
>abided
> > > by copyright protections by paying a licence fee for a sample of
> > > Newton's recording and therefore did not have to pay an additional
>fee
> > > to license the underlying composition.
> > >
> > > That finding upheld a lower-court dismissal of the case in favour of
> > > the Beastie Boys, and the 9th Circuit today refused to reconsider
>its
> > > ruling before a larger 11-judge panel.
> > >
> > > "We hold that Beastie Boys' use of a brief segment of that
>composition,
> > > consisting of three notes separated by a half-step over a background
>C
> > > note, is not sufficient to sustain a claim for infringement of
>Newton's
> > > copyright," Chief Judge Mary Schroeder wrote in her opinion.
> > >
> > > The Beastie Boys used the sample in their song Pass the Mic on their
> > > 1992 album Check Your Head.
> > >
> > > Representatives for Newton and the Beastie Boys were not immediately
> > > available for comment.
> > >
> > > The Beastie Boys helped spark the modern sampling trend in popular
> > > music with the 1989 album Paul's Boutique, which incorporated bits
>of
> > > music from sources as diverse as Johnny Cash, Bob Marley and the
> > > Beatles to create new music. Sampling has since become a staple of
>many
> > > artists, especially in the rap and hip-hop genres.
> > >
> > > The Beastie Boys have also emerged as leading advocates of a new
> > > approach to licensing known as the Creative Commons, in which
>artists
> > > record songs that listeners are invited to "rip, sample, mash and
> > > share" over file-sharing online networks like Kazaa or borrow to
>create
> > > their own compositions.
> > >
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