Re: [rumori] soundmosaic


From: Doug Harvey (dghrvyAThotmail.com)
Date: Wed May 30 2001 - 21:14:15 PDT


The ideal copy is what you want
When you won't, it makes you will
The ideal copy makes you happy
The ideal copy

>From: "Chris Ball" <ball2000ATball2000.com>
>Reply-To: rumoriATdetritus.net
>To: <rumoriATdetritus.net>
>Subject: Re: [rumori] soundmosaic
>Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 16:56:31 -0700
>
>As told to Chris Ball by Deepak Chopra:
> > 1. what is the nature of originality?
>Original items have sources that have been mixed to the point of
>untraceability. They have origins. All things have origins.
>Or, wait a minute.
>Original items can't be recognized until later. A new item can't be
>original until it originates something else. Because things are only
>original in stories. Are there original items that don't originate
>anything
>else?
>
>Nature?
> Oh. Trick question. There is no nature in originality, it is a
>cultural construct. It is a cult. It is a cult of personality. It is a
>cult of individuality. It's a phase cultures pass into. They pass out.
>Way to go. It is a story.
>
> Which forest is the most original. See?
>
>Source?
>Untraceable?
>New? ?
>
>
> > 2. what's the difference between "original" and "unique"?
>All items are unique. Not all items have sources that have been mixed to
>the point of untraceability.
>Item?
>
>We talk about copies. Copies aren't that different from things that
>originated them. But they are different, even if it is only by being in a
>different place and time. If they weren't different, they wouldn't be
>copies, they would still be originals. If they weren't different, then the
>copycat and the originator would be the same person. It would be hard to
>tell who was making copies on the Internet.
>
> > 3. why do humans like this stuff so much?
>Most don't.
>Humans?
>Most?
>People in some cultures love to pretend that their things are new. People
>in some cultures love to pretend that their things are new and unique or
>original or natural or fundamentally changed.
>
> > 4. is "copy culture" fundamentally the same as always (as
> > it's been for centuries), or has technology fundamentally
> > changed the kind of culture we produce?
>Copy culture is faster than ever. It produces unique and original items
>faster. The items are faster. They might be more or less original. They
>might be more or less unique. They are faster. Technology has
>fundamentaly
>copied the kind of culture we change. Art in the age of mechanical
>reproduction - Walter Benjamin.
>Fast?
>Fundamental?
>Culture?
>Change?
>Copy?
>
> > 5. are there "bad" appropriations, and what are they?
>Bad appropriations are appropriations you don't like. You might not want
>them. You say "go away." You say "this is unoriginal and bad." You get
>others to say the same. You fight in a court of law. You fight in the
>streets. You march. You carry signs that say "Bad." You tell everyone
>the
>names of the evildoers. You help them. You say "watch out!" You encourage
>them. Way to go.
>Appropriation creates ownership via theft.
>Originality denies that it is appropriation and creates ownership by
>pickpocketing.
>Ownership causes both. Way to go.
>When you do either activity it makes something new and unique for you to
>own.
>But which activity, and which culture, determines how you feel about your
>ownership. How you feel about the other's ownership. How you feel about
>stealing and getting ripped off.
>
>You?
>Like?
>
> >
> > i could go on and on.
>Please do! If you like.
>
>P.S.
>What's the deal with this list? ;)
>
>
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