"When you recreate something that closely, in what way is it yours? How
does
it have value?"
It's just art. It's entirely subjective. That's the bottom line. There's a
school of thought in art that once you've done ANYTHING you've done a
complete work of art - thus everything is in a state of change - any mark
on a paper is a drawing, any sound is a song. The conflict/argument which I
believe has led Steev to curating Detritus.net is that some people believe
business is more important than subjective art. There'd be no Detritus.net
if everyone felt one way or the other business over art or vice versa.
That's my take. I have pretty liberal views of such stuff.
Hmmm... ya know, I think that new Brittney Spears single would sound good
if the entire thing were distorted and cut up with ReCycle.... I execute my
remix. I have a "new" song _depending on how you look at it_. Brittney
Spears' lawyers probably don't agree. If I cut up the Brittney Spears song
into tiny bits (ie process it with Soundmosaic) maybe noone will notice
that I've used a Brittney Spears song to make my "new" song because the
samples of the source material are unrecognizable. How long does a sample
need to be to infringe on the copyright holder's rights? That's the grey
area in which Soundmosaic operates.
-dan
PS: Is anyone working on the "Banned in the USA" 2 Live Crew group-remix
project? Who was er... moderating that?
"Paulin, Christopher" <Christopher.PaulinATmoh.gov.on.ca> on 05/30/2001
04:46:47 PM
Please respond to rumoriATdetritus.net
To: "'rumoriATdetritus.net'" <rumoriATdetritus.net>
cc: (bcc: Dan Serkland/National/NISH)
Subject: RE: [rumori] soundmosaic
When you recreate something that closely, in what way is it yours? How
does
it have value?
Elisabeth Subrin's "Shulie", has value for me because it is a conscious
quest/question about what is true and false. I don't think I can say the
same thing about Bauhaus's "Ziggy Stardust" or Gus Van Sant's "Psycho".
(I think PTV figured out that they had created a simulacrum and so included
Genesis P-Orridge's creepy rap in the middle of the song.)
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Harvey [mailto:dghrvyAThotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 12:29 PM
To: rumoriATdetritus.net
Subject: Re: [rumori] soundmosaic
It reminds me of both Todd rundgren and Psychic TV getting hit singles by
making barely distinguishable (from the original) covers of 'Good
Vibrations'
>From: Steev Hise <steevATdetritus.net>
>Reply-To: rumoriATdetritus.net
>To: <rumoriATdetritus.net>
>Subject: [rumori] soundmosaic
>Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Tue, 29 May 2001 found Jim Carrico writing:
>
>->speaking of grey areas, i've just stumbled across a
>->project pertinent to this discussion, called Soundmosaic
>
>->hilarious concept really - given a large enough sound library, and
enough
>->raw processing power, it should be possible to regenerate any piece of
>->audio from fragments of other sounds.
>
>wow. that is really really cool! it sounds really great. it
>really is like the audio equivalent of those photomosaics.
>
>conceptually it isn't quite that amazing, though, given the
>nature of sound. Fourier showed us long ago that all sound
>can be represented as the summation of many many sine waves
>(this fact ended up being one of the foundations of digital
>audio). so you don't need to make sounds out of samples, you
>can go all the way to the extreme and make them out of pure
>sine tones. the interesting thing is in the imperfection of
>it. you wouldnt want to succeed at it perfectly, but hearing
>the seams is really REALLY great.
>
>of course this "atomic" way of looking at sound does bring
>up some interesting hypothetical test cases in the area of
>intellectual property. for example, can one own the
>copyright on a single sample (1/44,100 of a second of
>sound)? etc etc.
>
>thanx for mentioning this, jim. i look forward to checking
>that url again in a few months to see what other sounds
>they've built....
>
>smh
>
>
>Steev Hise, WebSlinger
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